is Butoh dead?

topic posted Thu, April 5, 2007 - 4:36 PM by  Ledoh
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i was told butoh was dead so i'd like to hear others opinion.
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Ledoh
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  • Re: is Butoh dead?

    Fri, April 6, 2007 - 7:28 AM
    no.
    • Re: is Butoh dead?

      Mon, April 9, 2007 - 7:18 AM
      The new york times ran an article quite recently on the state of butoh as an art form. I think the question posed by ledoh (is butoh dead?) was one posed (though more obliquely) in that article. The question, in that context, was obviously referring to butoh as a social phenomenon. What impact is butoh having on society as commentary, as a "new" dance form, etc...

      While these questions are important to ask from a sociological perspective, as a butoh dancer (as most of us here are) I don't find them particularly relevant to my practice. My introduction to butoh completely changed my life (and I was already a practicing artist and dancer) as it has for many, many, people I know. So beyond the superficial relevance of audience size, # of performances, quality of reviews, etc...butoh asks us to experience something beyond ourselves. The art form has had many incarnations and will continue to as more people experience it.

      To me, asking whether this is "dead" is a tired question...
  • Re: is Butoh dead?

    Fri, April 6, 2007 - 8:31 AM
    would it matter?- butoh might be even better when dead ;-)

    from the oxford dictionary:
    >>dead |ded| adjective 1 no longer alive : a dead body | [as complement ] he was shot dead by terrorists. • (of a part of the body) having lost sensation; numb. • having or displaying no emotion, sympathy, or sensitivity : a cold, dead voice. • no longer current, relevant, or important : pollution had become a dead issue. • devoid of living things : a dead planet. • resembling death : a dead faint. • (of a place or time) characterized by a lack of activity or excitement : Brussels isn't dead after dark, if you know where to look. • (of money) not financially productive. • (of sound) without resonance; dull. • (of a color) not glossy or bright. • (of a piece of equipment) no longer functioning, esp. because of a fault : the phone had gone dead. • (of an electric circuit or conductor) carrying or transmitting no current : the batteries are dead. • no longer burning : the fire had been dead for some days. • (of air or water) not circulating; stagnant. • (of a glass or bottle) empty or no longer being used. • (of the ball in a game) out of play. See also dead ball . • (of a playing field, ball, or other surface) lacking springiness or bounce. 2 [ attrib. ] complete; absolute : we sat in dead silence. adverb [often as submodifier ] absolutely; completely : you're dead right | he was dead against the idea. • exactly : they arrived dead on time. • straight; directly : red flares were seen dead ahead. • Brit., informal very : omelets are dead easy to prepare. noun [as plural n. ] ( the dead) those who have died. PHRASES dead and buried over; finished : the incident is dead and buried. ( as) dead as a (or the) dodo see dodo . ( as) dead as a doornail see doornail . dead from the neck up informal stupid. dead in the water (of a ship) unable to move. • figurative unable to function effectively : the economy is dead in the water. dead meat informal in serious trouble : if anyone finds out, you're dead meat. the dead of night the quietest, darkest part of the night. the dead of winter the coldest part of winter. dead on exactly right : her judgment was dead on. dead on arrival used to describe a person who is declared dead immediately upon arrival at a hospital. • figurative (of an idea, etc.) declared ineffective without ever having been put into effect : why are people pronouncing the plan dead on arrival in the legislature? dead on one's feet informal extremely tired. dead set against informal strongly opposed to : they were dead set against seeing any more open spaces divided up. dead to rights informal in the act of doing something wrong; red-handed : he had me dead to rights, so I meekly suffered the rebuke. dead to the world informal fast asleep. from the dead from a state of death : Christ rose from the dead. • figurative from a period of obscurity or inactivity : the cartoon brought animation back from the dead. make a dead set at see set 2 . over my dead body see body . wouldn't be seen (or caught) dead informal used to express strong dislike for a particular thing : James Bond wouldn't be caught dead wearing a paper napkin bib. DERIVATIVES deadness noun ORIGIN Old English dēad, of Germanic origin: related to Dutch dood and German tot, also to die 1 .

    Thesaurus
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    Re: is Butoh dead?

    Fri, April 6, 2007 - 11:51 AM
    butoh is not dead, but is definetly an underground art form. Here in Seattle there are butoh perfromances and classes that happen often. You just have to look for it.
    • Re: is Butoh dead?

      Fri, April 6, 2007 - 1:40 PM
      the very thing we try to keep alive... we sometime end up killing.
      as i walked through the lupine field to appreciate the beauty... i'm also killing some.

      i think some of us like to think it's underground but for three decades much efforts been spent trying to define it.
      hence, the very definition suffocates its growth.

      but we need words to communicate, therefore how do we carefully use the words/language, which is based upon cultural/geographic setting?

      please continue the dialogue...

      jana: love the matrix ping-pong
      • Re: is Butoh dead?

        Fri, April 6, 2007 - 3:08 PM
        personally I think performances which have fallen victim to their own success (like a Cirque du Soleil f.ex) are more dead than any "underground" art form..
  • Re: is Butoh dead?

    Fri, April 6, 2007 - 5:44 PM
    No. But butoh needs to be seen more and to break out of perceived audience stereotypes. It is and needs to constantly reinvent itself.
    • Re: is Butoh dead?

      Sat, April 7, 2007 - 5:28 AM
      call, that is by definition not possible, as it will develop into something new, i.e. not by the name of butoh.

      Theater has many sub branches,- pantomime, comedia del arte, opera, operette, musical, and all were split off from a given norm which someone felt needed to be extended, expanded, altered,- and then was given a new name as the public wanted more of that ilk.

      so by the same token would butoh which has altered become something else, and if popular then have a new name..

      the grandmasters of butoh have done this in some way with their schools and unique philosophies which then in turn had students trying to adhere.. but ultimately what keeps an artform alive is its appeal to the audience, and it is up to them to classify it as being still butoh, butoh-esque or something completely new..
      • Re: is Butoh dead?

        Sat, April 7, 2007 - 10:54 AM
        Hi Jana, I don't think butoh needs renaming as it evolves. Dance branches ballet, modern, jazz have all changed over a longer period than butoh without renaming. Improvised forms, like butoh or contact are less in need of renaming over time, they are ever changing.

        Most butoh players I know think if you want to call your work butoh, fine, call it not butoh, fine, call it you own name, fine.

        The audience attracted to butoh is small, so butoh needs wider broadcast for that small audience to find it. The teachers are only in a few places too. As for the rumors of butoh's death being greatly exaggerated, it ebbs and flows in sustainability, sometimes it is a big expensive touring company and other times an intimate living room performance or a jam in the woods.
        • Re: is Butoh dead?

          Sat, April 7, 2007 - 1:30 PM
          It seems like there is a general understanding here that to say an art form is "dead" means that there is no longer any growth, development or innovation hapenning in the art.

          So, my question is: who here has recently seen or appeared in a butoh performance they thought was original or innovative or contributing to a development of the form? I'd love to hear about it.
          • Re: is Butoh dead?

            Sun, April 8, 2007 - 9:53 AM
            >It seems like there is a general understanding here that to say an art form is "dead"
            >means that there is no longer any growth, development or innovation happening in the art.

            I think that is too strict a standard. I think the value of art is the emotional impact on the audience.
            I live on the West coast that has a value system built around continuous change and the new.
            But I would not say that painting is dead. I am rebelling against pre performance lectures, though
            some friends are employed by them. I think it spoils the magic.

            I saw a great performance by one of the members of this tribe from Seattle Briana.
            She has a very angular movement style which is unique.
            • Re: is Butoh dead?

              Mon, April 9, 2007 - 1:43 PM

              >I think that is too strict a standard. I think the value of art is the emotional impact on the audience.

              If that's the standard for art to be "alive" then the whole question of whether butoh is dead is kind of meaningless - which may have been you're point. As long as somebody is producing and enjoying an art form, it's still alive.

              My feelings about innovation in butoh are mixed. On the one hand, butoh (for me) is a spiritual art concerned primarily with what is eternal and timeless in the human condition, so maybe to even talk about innovation in butoh is to miss the point. On the other hand, butoh (for me) is about an individual's authentic exploration of the mystery of his/her existence and the inter-relationships of his/her energy and spirit and body and the universe, so the best butoh (for me) is always very individual and idiosyncratic.

              My intention in my post wasn't to define butoh or dead art or innovation, but to turn our discussion from general to specifics.

              So I'll ask it a different way, hey, Butoh Tribe, who/what rocks your boat these days in the butoh world?

              Maybe I'll start a new discussion for this.
        • Re: is Butoh dead?

          Sun, April 8, 2007 - 8:14 AM
          <<sometimes it is a big expensive touring company and other times an intimate living room performance or a jam in the woods.>>

          that sounds like it's very much alive to me!
          if it can take many forms, and reach different settings, it must be alive..!

          just because a creature is rare and elusive.. that doesnt mean it is dead. It is just rare and very special!- and can only be seen by those patient enough to seek it out.
  • Re: is Butoh dead?

    Sun, April 8, 2007 - 6:23 PM
    butoh isn't

    /|\
    • Re: is Butoh dead?

      Mon, April 9, 2007 - 7:17 AM
      The new york times ran an article quite recently on the state of butoh as an art form. I think the question posed by ledoh (is butoh dead?) was one posed (though more obliquely) in that article. The question, in that context, was obviously referring to butoh as a social phenomenon. What impact is butoh having on society as commentary, as a "new" dance form, etc...

      While these questions are important to ask from a sociological perspective, as a butoh dancer (as most of us here are) I don't find them particularly relevant to my practice. My introduction to butoh completely changed my life (and I was already a practicing artist and dancer) as it has for many, many, people I know. So beyond the superficial relevance of audience size, # of performances, quality of reviews, etc...butoh asks us to experience something beyond ourselves. The art form has had many incarnations and will continue to as more people experience it.

      To me, asking whether this is "dead" is a tired question...
      • Re: is Butoh dead?

        Sat, June 30, 2007 - 10:34 PM
        I only just tuned into this discussion, I cannot believe its gone on for so long. I speak as an ex ballet dancer, and especially as Butoh is underground/alternative, it is very much alive. i agree with comments as soon as it come mainstream, it has the danger of dying.
  • Re: is Butoh dead?

    Tue, April 10, 2007 - 3:10 AM
    It can't die as long it moves
    • Re: is Butoh dead?

      Tue, April 10, 2007 - 12:44 PM
      I feel a pulse!
      2 breaths then 30 compressions then one breath, repeat until exhaustion or until emergency personnel arrive. . .

      I remember the workshops I participated in that began with the declaration that "Butoh Is Dead!" and was repeated at different intervals throughout the workshop during exercises and improvisations. I didn't understand exactly what was meant by that or what the intention was. Perhaps, as I think now after my many years of absorbing this, it was meant to inspire us to move away from mimicking or copying and to find in ourselves our own body truths. Perhaps we were being encouraged to let go of our preconceived ideas about what Butoh was supposed to be.

      Butoh is amazing because it does not fall neatly into one category. Instead, Butoh has the ability to create bridges between disciplines, media and other art forms. My very first classes were taught under the pretense that Butoh process required non-judgment (of ourselves and others). This is extremely difficult to attain as I have noticed, not just from others but from myself as well. We want to define, to make sense of and to claim ownership. . . we want it to be ours - our special thing. We are also under the false belief that what defines good Butoh is what we have never seen before. Innovation Innovation!! Show me something I've never seen before. . . right? Then we write off anything that doesn't fall into that category. Shock me then I'll know. But what is shocking? Is anything shocking anymore or is it all contextual? Was Hijikata as shocking as Ohno or is it just the context? Why do we define the worth by the level of shock we perceive?

      My first teacher said that the beauty of Butoh was in the power it had to move us and that if we were moved in some way, then Butoh was alive in the performer and in us. She used to say that if you look carefully, pay attention and observe, you will see Butoh everywhere. She said that Ohno told her to take what she learned from him and share it, make it her own and be free with it. She then said the same to us. Memory keeps it alive.

      I have worked with other Butoh teachers who have told me that no Westerner was ever capable of learning Butoh. Perhaps, but then again, that is within a certain context or definition. I've also worked with people who have said that the only Butoh that was ever alive was within Hijikata. I've known dancers to completely shun the word Butoh for these reasons and even grappled with my own conflicting feelings around my relationship to Butoh as well. I continue to grapple with it at times, but continuing to engage the struggle has been healthy. Speaking of health - my last workshop with Katsura Kan, he declared, "Butoh is healthy!". I think doctor's should start recommending it. Perhaps it will become a new food group. My suggestion is to eat it often.

      There is a beautiful line in Zora Neale Hurston's novel "Their Eyes Were Watching God" that goes something like this - Love is different each time, depending on the shore it meets. I think this is also true of Butoh. Each body is unique and when Butoh runs free throughout that particular body, it is like a snowflake, new and different and beautiful and fleeting.

      The most striking Butoh I've seen has not been on a stage in a theatre. It is vulnerable and dangerous at the same time. I also know that in order to watch Butoh I must let go of expectation and I think this is process we all need to work through - I must let go of my judgments and preconceived notions of what I want to see or want to happen and I must certainly let go of attachment or a sense of ownership.

      Inspiring Butoh artists for me: Katsura Kan, for his genius choreography; Jen Hicks, for her ability to seamlessly incorporate theatre into her Butoh work and illuminate female sexual power; Ellen Godena, for her ability to incorporate live music and installation into her Butoh work and for her movement exploration with landscape, animal and insect imagery; Doranne Crable, for her ability to float and move like breath and captivate children. Alice Cox for her relationship with Butoh and film and Rosemary Candelario for her ability to move me emotionally with just her hands.
    • Re: is Butoh dead?

      Tue, April 10, 2007 - 4:31 PM
      a child plays
      stone once wood
      colonisation
      a lifeless body breathing
      skin as eyes
      a swamp
      the dialogue ov faeces
      transition without death
      a damp shoe
      investigation
      a spark
      chemicals
      wu-wei
      discovery ov power
      a chicken before a feast
      wombless birth
      fish
      • Re: is Butoh dead?

        Tue, April 10, 2007 - 7:57 PM
        It began with Hijikata and Ohno and has been resonating ever since. The ocean is a powerful entity and we are each our own.
        • Re: is Butoh dead?

          Wed, April 11, 2007 - 4:17 PM
          guess it’s alive. Yes indeed! "Butoh is healthy!"

          i had a wonderful Easter weekend with my family and had a chance to visit a spiritual elder. he keeps his coffin next to his bed in a senior home. he was sharing the Easter story to my daughter regarding that he (Christ) was NOT there… and yet the story continue and change to other events as in he has risen. since his death many stories been told and many misinterpretations as well. but his spirit lives on.

          for me it’s a reminder to observe the origin of my body’s movement. where ledoh or the perception of ledoh cannot interfere with it. My thought or concept is what restrict my exploration to timeless nature. weather by trying to be cool or find interesting movement. in reality, ledoh is only acquired being doing time in this body. and it has been great fun doing time in this body, with a little bumps and bruises.

          we all come from different streams and rivers, but we all end up in the same ocean. i feel that we can be interested in butoh for being a new movement, different for not many knows about it, and so on. there will always be crappy butoh shows, or in movies, operas, even burning man, etc. it matters not how we got into butoh, but now that we are here, how do we support each other. for one, i feel the need to be able to say crap when i see a bad performance. a teacher of mine said to me, i can leave garbage as garbage or use it for my compost for my garden.

          as butoh grow globally, there is also a growing number of division. there is lots of mixed drinks, I tend to like my drink neat and of quality. there also ownership to the lineage. most of all the language itself. how do we share to the student of our experience to the timeless nature? we have to go back to the mind and that is where the danger lays. but it must be triggered from the mind...

          i’m grateful to see all the response/reaction to the topic. guess it a reflection on where we are in our lives at the moment.
          please do add more…
          • Re: is Butoh dead?

            Thu, April 12, 2007 - 7:14 AM
            "we all come from different streams and rivers, but we all end up in the same ocean. i feel that we can be interested in butoh for being a new movement, different for not many knows about it, and so on. there will always be crappy butoh shows, or in movies, operas, even burning man, etc. it matters not how we got into butoh, but now that we are here, how do we support each other. for one, i feel the need to be able to say crap when i see a bad performance. a teacher of mine said to me, i can leave garbage as garbage or use it for my compost for my garden."

            well said, Ledoh. I agree. As well, I DO feel extremely loyal and protective of my butoh lineage and part of the challenge I have felt as a teacher is how can I translate that to the students who cross my path who are all here for different reasons. It is like holding on to it and letting it go at the same time. And yes, there will always be crappy butoh performances and it is good to say it so let us continue to compost!
  • Re: is Butoh dead?

    Wed, April 18, 2007 - 9:36 AM
    Totally! And it's starting to stink.

    When it ceases to rot, it will finally be irrelevant. Until then, I dance, utterly alone. Without you. Dying urgently.
  • Re: is Butoh dead?

    Tue, May 1, 2007 - 4:34 PM
    "Butoh never existed" Tatsumi Hijikata
    Then... fortunately It cannot die!
    • Re: is Butoh dead?

      Wed, May 23, 2007 - 3:56 PM
      Interesting... this parrallels a post that happened for a while in the Contact Dance tribe about CI, with similar themes of evolution of forms, relevence of names (butoh, contact improv...), understanding of lineage, etc. The particulars, historical and rhetorical, are a bit different, but quite parrallel.

      One theme from both conversations that i appreciate is "why does it matter(if it's dead or alive)?"

      Personally, I'm interested in phenomena less than names. Going back to Hijikata or Steve Paxton is interesting to reveal phenomena. As we evolve in different directions from these phenomena in our practices, it might be of a bit of interest to talk about whther we should still call it Butoh or Contact, but a much more interesting conversation is "What are the phenomena like that are evolving and what do we think/feel of them releative to each other?"

      I have been in performances and workshops and rehearsls called Contact and Butoh at different times, but nowadays, I don't call them either. I'm working on some new work that involves touch, but i tell my performers don't "do contact"... be present with touch and the particular "why"s that we are exploring. Sometimes, i find the conversation interesting of whether or not it is "contact improvisation", relating to the world of social labels, identification and organization around words and concepts. Mostly, though i find it distracting and not the REALLY important thing to be talking about.

      Remember "why".

      We don't do Butoh because it is called "Butoh". We do things that are called "Butoh" by some because we are passionately moved to do those things.
  • Re: is Butoh dead?

    Mon, June 4, 2007 - 3:07 AM
    Butoh is dead
    but I will not bury it
    I will hold it to me
    screaming "god"
    and "my baby"
    and "no"
    while my face will dance
    according to its own primitive rhythm
    and my hands shake
    while butoh's
    flakes
    crawl under my nails
    and fly into my nostrils
    and line my lungs
    with immortal particles that
    in twenty years
    will give the gift of cancer
    to all my descendants
    • Re: is Butoh dead?

      Mon, June 4, 2007 - 3:36 AM
      Butoh is undead. Butoh is the Cancer of the Ballet, Tap, Jazz, and Modern dance world. It's here to kill off the Britney Mickey Mouse get rich MTV world we live in. Go forth and infect.
  • Re: is Butoh dead?

    Sun, June 24, 2007 - 9:31 PM
    Ledoh,

    I am spending six weeks in Tokyo and going to buto at Plan B, Terpsichore, and Kagurasaka Die Pratze (among other places) about three times a week. So in that sense, there are still people doing it. The audiences are small (between 40 and 70 people), but you can not expect very huge audiences at buto unless you are Amagatsu and you tailor your buto to a kind of post-ballet audience.

    that said, I feel a tension between the kinds of predominently solo performances that I am seeing and a long term ability to sustain an art form. Sometimes I feel like I am watching someone who is obviously having a personally meaningful experience, but that they have not taken the time to work out the movements or ideas to the point where it can be meaningful to anyone else. Of course I can append my own interpretation on to what I see, and buto welcomes this and even expects it of its viewers, but sometimes I do not go to a dance to learn more about myself (which is what happens when I have to append an interpretation on to some elses private experience), but to be shown something new. In those cases, some buto performances can get stale.

    At Jacobs Pillow last summer Tero Saarinen present a stupendous work, Borrowed Light, and mentioned promenently in his bio that he had studied buto and you could really feel it in the kinds of weight he had his dancers portray, as well as in the use of hands, and face.

    I do not think that buto should mind becoming just one more option for aspiring dancers who are looking to round out their training, but some may disagree.

    So in short, not dead, but buto is in need of some people to work through some of the contradictions of the form.
    • Re: is Butoh dead?

      Mon, June 25, 2007 - 11:01 AM
      >I do not think that buto should mind becoming just one more option for aspiring dancers who are looking to round out their training, but some may disagree. >

      not at all, however, we do have some artists out here whose first contact with dance was through butoh (myself being one of them) and I sure wouldn't mind some more traditional dance training to help round out my work in butoh. . . .which i believe would help greatly in an important point you brought up about thinking through movement and presenting something other than some sort of personal cathartic experience that the audience can appreciate.
    • Re: is Butoh dead?

      Mon, June 25, 2007 - 6:26 PM
      Plan B and Terpsichore are still in operation? What artists are performing there?
      • Plan B and Terpsichore

        Tue, June 26, 2007 - 4:28 PM
        Plan B and Terpsichore are very much still in operation. Members of this tribe may know that Plan B is owned by Kobata Kazue who has long been associated with Min Tanaka (whose movie about dancing across Indonesia is great by the way--"Umihiko, Yamahiko, Maihiko") so on May the 31st Min danced there, and it has often been the outlet where Min's students dance. I have the June schedule and on it is Iida Koichi of the Art Body Laboratory, Kunie Toru (who originall studied with Kobayashi Saga and is now on his own). Terpsichore has this month Fukuya Masako, Tayama Meiko, Wakao Isako, and Fujii Mari. Tayama and Fujii are both students of Omori who was a student of Kasai Akira. Terpsichore has a New Buto Performer's Series Twice a year. In principle anyone can rent these spaces (I know that Terpsichore will either produce your dance for you and take on the responsibility of advertising as well, or just rent you the space for an evening and let you pocket as much money as you can draw crowds.)